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	<title>Comments on: Beyond 12 Steps</title>
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		<title>By: Irish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 13:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you . Some research supports Pregabalin (Lyrica) . Also why not see a psychiatrist to rule out psychiatric disorder? Then if you want attend psychotherapy and also do AA. You don&#039;t have to see them as competing approaches. Two caveats : it is rare to leave a US psychiatrist&#039;s office without a diagnosis and I know a guy with Bipolar who was advised in AA to stop his lithium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you . Some research supports Pregabalin (Lyrica) . Also why not see a psychiatrist to rule out psychiatric disorder? Then if you want attend psychotherapy and also do AA. You don&#8217;t have to see them as competing approaches. Two caveats : it is rare to leave a US psychiatrist&#8217;s office without a diagnosis and I know a guy with Bipolar who was advised in AA to stop his lithium.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed and holding anm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed and holding anm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 17:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We appreciate the points you make, and I have been fully certified by NAADAC since 1989 and only began my graduate work in 1990. But the problem remains that most of these certification programs (I&#039;m also certified in CA and Alaska) remain AA based and, let&#039;s face it, AA and the 12 Steps are the least effective way to leave an alcohol problem behind.

Our further point is that it isn&#039;t the learning that&#039;s important, but the individual&#039;s willingness to expand their views. You want a counselor who is at least conscientious and holding an advanced degree makes this far more likely. Today&#039;s treatment program &quot;professionals&quot; include far too many zealots, con artists, and predators and avoiding them is very very diffficult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We appreciate the points you make, and I have been fully certified by NAADAC since 1989 and only began my graduate work in 1990. But the problem remains that most of these certification programs (I&#8217;m also certified in CA and Alaska) remain AA based and, let&#8217;s face it, AA and the 12 Steps are the least effective way to leave an alcohol problem behind.</p>
<p>Our further point is that it isn&#8217;t the learning that&#8217;s important, but the individual&#8217;s willingness to expand their views. You want a counselor who is at least conscientious and holding an advanced degree makes this far more likely. Today&#8217;s treatment program &#8220;professionals&#8221; include far too many zealots, con artists, and predators and avoiding them is very very diffficult.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Zobel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Zobel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very clear and helpful.  It&#039;s gratifying to see an article for general consumption that is both well researched and clinically objective.  I do have one point of disagreement.  You suggest that one search out counselors with a minimum education level of Masters Degree.  You leave out a wealth of knowledgable and skilled counselors that have earned national or international certifications.  I realize that some &quot;certification&quot; programs are all over the map, but those with NAADAC or ICRC underwritten certifications meet high standards.  I&#039;ve been certified since 1988 and, frankly, didn&#039;t learn much I didn&#039;t already know in my masters program in counseling psychology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very clear and helpful.  It&#8217;s gratifying to see an article for general consumption that is both well researched and clinically objective.  I do have one point of disagreement.  You suggest that one search out counselors with a minimum education level of Masters Degree.  You leave out a wealth of knowledgable and skilled counselors that have earned national or international certifications.  I realize that some &#8220;certification&#8221; programs are all over the map, but those with NAADAC or ICRC underwritten certifications meet high standards.  I&#8217;ve been certified since 1988 and, frankly, didn&#8217;t learn much I didn&#8217;t already know in my masters program in counseling psychology.</p>
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